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  Daily Text - 1/30/19

  by Jidders in

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  the love of the greater number will grow cold.​—matt.

  24:12. i read the daily text today, thoughts on a scripture that does seem to be somewhat fulfilled with the increase in atheism and alternative religions?

  it had definitely been going on back then but is it a general assumption?.

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  Half banana

  When you read the Gospels Jidders you have to remember that the words were intended for one of the many Christ cults of the first century and were relevant to keeping them loyal supporters to stay 'within the compound'. That is why the language of Jesus' warnings often seem relevant to modern Bible cults like JWs and other doomsday watchers.

  On the other hand the end never did arrive in the first century as Jesus promised (black mark for JC) and the signs only fully made sense in his day. Like "they will flog you in the synagogues" as it says in the oldest and original Gospel Mark, and "let those in Judea run to the hills...."

  Is it reasonable to pick out only those bits which possibly could make sense today and ignore the rest?

  The JW org select from the Bible what is useful for their purpose in keeping the flock blinkered and under their tight control. "The love of the greater number" when analysed, is pretty broad and meaningless outside of cultic interpretation. The evidence is that most people today in developed lands are far more caring and socially aware and responsible than at any time in human history.
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  Hungry?? Don’t worry- I’ll feed you soon....

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. bible

  how often have we heard jws (and christians in general) speak about how “god will step in soon and fix earths woes”.

  a thought came to mind that i would love to calmly say to the person that says we should “wait on god”.

  if your child looks up at you with big eyes, and a pained look on his face and says “daddy, i’m so hungry.

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  Half banana

  Xanthippe, from your trinity of God, Jesus and the tooth fairy, ignore the first two because the tooth fairy is the only one which comes up with the goods.

  But your point is right, there is no supercharged god-like father figure who will sort things out. This is the primary fallacy of religion and invites comparison with holding the naive mentality and viewpoint of a helpless child.

  Religious belief infantilises people-- and that's exactly how cult leaders want their flocks to remain.
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  Sir Isaac Newton

  by I Faded Twice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wasn't it isaac newton that calculated the date that the end would be?

  it was like 2062 i think.

  anyways why doesnt the gb adopt isaac newton say the end is coming in 2062 and then if it fails to come blame it on him?

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  Half banana

  This is JW talk not ex-JW talk. The world will not be ending, just each of our lives, so don't waste them on pointless speculation. Newton was a genius at physics but not religion.
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  Who will be resurrected? The righteous and the unrighteous

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  chapter seven.

  there will be a resurrection.

  17 who will be resurrected?

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  Half banana

  Has anyone ever been resurrected? Is it reasonable to resurrect people? Millions of them?

  It is totally absurd and beyond imagination.

  It is easy to put in writing and induce people to conform to a cult by promising resurrections (but you have to be gullible first). It is against reason to resurrect someone, against historical facts, against biology and evolutionary experience, and also beyond anyone's ability to perform the miracle.

  No single person has ever been resurrected. . . except in myth and magic fairy tales.
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  Just peeking in for a bit...

  by Jidders in

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  2. friends

  i rather apprehensively would like to say hello.. i've been raised somewhat in the truth,one of my parents is rather rather strong in the beliefs but could honestly be considered pomi with how active they are and their side of the family comes from a line of witnesses, the other parent was but faded a long time ago.

  as such i was taught quite a bit of jw teachings between family and off and on again bible studies.

  recently i had a serious emotional break down over a few months after said pomi parent had advised me that they would not attend my wedding should that day come (i also had recieved a text from my bible teacher i hadnt heard from in a year or two giving a scripture) and it sorta all sank on me that my activity over the last few years was not really jw material.

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  Half banana

  Jidders welcome to the site. Factual things should not make anyone feel weary!

  Try and distinguish between what is a belief and what is factual. JW teachings are mere beliefs.

  Beliefs are unprovable things such as Armageddon, the kingdom of God, angels etc. They use these ideas to manipulate their flock. Be prepared to have your own say and not fear religious warnings.

  Prophecy is quite useless, remember Jesus got it completely wrong when he said that the kingdom of God would come in glory in his day and be witnessed by some of his listeners. Mark 9;1.

  Discover who you are and what you can do--this is far more important than learning about fearful beliefs from a crank religion.
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  If you had to

  by rolliepollie in

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  if you had to follow one religion, what would it be and why?.

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  Half banana

  If it was compulsory to join a religion I would have to make up my own.

  Religion ultimately depends on three primary things: ignorance, faith and reward. What useful thing can you do with mainly irrational ingredients?

  There is no merit in denying scientifically determined facts but you have to do so if your purpose is to be a "believer". Faith is involved because the beliefs are based on the words of invisible creatures who are spelling out the holy imperatives. Religion only works if the believer is promised a reward otherwise why put yourself through foolish hoops if there is no benefit at the end?

  Now my cat has been seen by neighbours leaping six feet off the ground and catching pigeons in mid-air which he drags home alive through the cat flap and devours in the kitchen shedding sacrificial blood with feathers all over the place. He is ignorant of human things although it has to be said he is highly informed and expert in rodent and bird demolition. Despite snacking all day long on these creatures he still has faith in the reward of me feeding him, so in the absence of anything better I will have to go for the Cat Feeding Religion. Like the irrationality found in all "True Religions" it is mad that I feed my cat when he is perfectly capable of looking after himself.
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  So I read the the gog of magog chapters from the new restore true worship book...

  by nowwhat? in

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  and what a heaping nonsensical freddie franz like bunch of crap.

  as i told my pimi brother.

  it's all based on assumptions and assertions that the ezekiel gog of magog account has a 2nd fulfillment in our day.

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  Half banana

  Pity about Armageddon not coming, oh dear, JWs might start looking elsewhere. GB response: feed their persecution complex instead, this will keep their minds off our past mistakes.

  It will involve making the lowly JW feel important for the first time-- as an object of the authorities attention, giving them an elevated status. "It's us against everyone else and we have True Religion".

  Truly this is a case of organised paranoia managed by the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses which wastes people's lives and never gives them anything useful-- only lifelong delusions.
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  I am a proud Jehovah's Witness Defender

  by Matthew Jefferson in

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  2. experiences

  my name is matthew j and i have just ended my study with the jehovah's witnesses.

  no, i did not stop studying because i believe the jehovah's witnesses are a 'cult', i left due to the minor beliefs that i hold that remain separate from the organization.

  i called my elder who is still an amazing man and great counselor, affirming that i do not wish to continue my studying.

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  Half banana

  Well done for not joining Matthew!

  After a while I think that you will begin to realise what a good decision you have made after a bit more information has come your way, the other side of the coin as it were.

  Nearly everyone on this site has woken up to the delusional nature of being a Jehovah's Witness.

  Let me give you a clue, the JWs are normally humble and decent people just like you are, not so the leaders. Never in one hundred and forty years of propaganda have they got anything right other than what could be found elsewhere in other religious literature. All of their predictions have fallen completely flat and have been passed off and over without apology!

  They misled millions of believers who gave up their independence, livelihood, money and time, they proudly wasted the whole of their lives for the beliefs of the Watchtower-- and died disappointed. For about seventy odd years they taught with absolute certainty that Armageddon would come within the generation which lived through the year 1914.

  Does this give you any insight as to how they operate? i.e permanently moving the goal posts forward in time and treating the faithful as workhorses.

  I hope that you also can come to see that Armageddon and paradise are also fictions like much of the Bible.
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  How to peddle Doomsday for Fun and Profit

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. scandals

  james ussher (1581-1656).

  your name is ussher – james ussher – and you are the archbishop of all of ireland.. you are living in the 1600s and are obsessive-compulsive when it comes to speculative ideas.

  you are convinced that you alone have the intellect to figure exact dates of all the major events in the bible actually.

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  Half banana

  Freddie "fried brain" Franz, the man who had the will and authority to say what he liked, and called his beliefs a certainty because "God cannot lie"-- and no one was allowed to contradict him.

  A perfect cult scenario!
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  Hello

  by Tobyjones262 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  new to this forum.

  i ran across it when watching lloyd evans videos and searching out jw links.

  i left the cult many years ago after a long stint in it.the cult caused me much pain and problems even though i left.

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  Half banana

  A big welcome to you Tobyjones262. Do tell us your story.